It's been a few days, but "Let's Talk" about what was said in comments to Kate's similarly-named video. There were certainly still some things to be asked, but since I'm blocked, I just had to hope that there were enough other people out there wondering those same things, who also had enough balls to ask without fear of insulting Great Leader. Turns out, people do!
First on the list is the screenshot of Cory's Facebook switching to "in a relationship" in October 2011; a screencap which was made before people even knew that Kate and Cory actually did kiss that month. The official verdict? Neither Kate nor Cory have any idea what it's about, and assume that the screenshot must be fake, because they don't remember it. O-kay. I still think Cory just got over-excited at the kiss and is now too embarrassed to admit that he changed his status (assuming they haven't actually been in a relationship that whole time, of course).
Second, we have the Seann Larson comment, about Cory cheating on Steph with Kate. Official verdict? Kate swears that it's absolutely, positively false, and that maybe Seann is the one with something to hide. It was an adamant denial, so you either have to believe it or think Kate's just a total liar. Personally, I dunno, I guess I'm inclined to believe it. I don't think she would respond to the question at all if she was going to have to lie to it, and in turn imply Seann is the liar in the process. Then again, it did seem to have quite a few thumbs-up, so maybe she felt she had to. But I go back to what I said before, about how Cory had stopped wearing his wedding ring ages before Steph ever moved out. You just don't live with your ex for that long if cheating was involved.
Third, it was asked why she was still Tweeting/Facebooking/Keeking/etc if she had been worried about her safety. Kate made a good point on this one, I suppose: it shows where she's at every day. That could be enough information for a crazy person to have an idea of where to watch for her. Though she doesn't go to the same places every day, and her vlogs are normally a few days late anyway, so I dunno. Either way, take it as you will. I still say it was a knee-jerk reaction.
Fourth, the Facebook screenshot of Cory telling someone to keep it (their relationship) a secret, since as far as everyone's concerned "we're new." Kate said that this was related to a private joke, which nobody else would have understood and misinterpreted. Yeah, I don't really think I buy it, pretty much like the other Facebook screenshot. I actually used to doubt both of these screenshots to varying degrees, but given that this latter one turned out to be real (which is the one I doubted the most), I don't know what to think anymore.
I saw someone ask if Kate and Cory were sponsored by Keek, but that one never got answered.
So yeah. Regardless of the truth involved, at least there was a direct response to these things. All one can do now is wait to see if she or Cory slip up at some point and reveal whether any of it was false. I heard she put up some vlogs since I last watched, but I can't bring myself enough to care to see what they're about, so somebody else will have to keep an eye out for any shenanigans.
I really do think I'm done with Kate now. I truly have no remorse from unsubscribing and have no urge to go see what she's up to. I just wanted to make one last post of the info I saw recently, to conclude this whole series of posts about all of this.
Thursday, January 10, 2013
Saturday, January 5, 2013
All Good Things
Well, it's over, folks. KatersOneSeven finally posted a video to address the situation, and it's essentially the tearful explanation I predicted before. We learned a little from it, while it still managed to leave plenty of unanswered questions.
The first half of the explanation for the vlogs ending is indeed what was being alluded to: she was scared for her safety. And I don't question for a second that she has dozens of fucked up fanboys who hang on her every word, to the point that their lives practically revolve around her. And I'm sure there's varying degrees of them as well, from the simple comment warriors all the way to the crazy fucks who would actually think it's okay to go to her house or mess with her stuff. Those people need a pop in the nose, and it'd be funny if Kate or Cory gave it to'em.
But, as we've previously covered, finding out where she lives isn't very hard, so she shouldn't be too surprised that eventually she would start having these kinds of issues. Several of the big vloggers I've watched, such as Shaycarl, have remarked on similar issues of people just showing up uninvited. Some are nuts, and some are truly just stupid enough to think it's okay to just show up. It comes with the territory, particularly for an attractive girl on the internet. When you have 100k people watching you as Kate does, then you're certainly a celebrity, only on a smaller scale than the Hollywood variety. She should be better prepared to deal with this, and I don't even say that out of criticism, but just in general regard for anyone in her position against all the idiots out there.
Now for the second half of her reasoning for ending the vlogs: haters. I'll give her that one, to some degree. People can be assholes, many times intentionally wanting to hurt someone's feelings or rile them up. The cover of anonymity brings out the worst in people, whether they're simply having a bad day, jealous, or just outright trolling. But dealing with haters is something you have to do, more so than with the crazy folks. Ask Justin Bieber. If it's going to upset you to the point that you're crying "every day" then it's probably time to find a less stressful occupation.
I do have a bone to pick with this excuse, though; I think she's combining the average troll with people who offer constructive criticism or question things which she doesn't want to talk about. If enough fans don't like a particular something, then perhaps she should be listening. Also, under that definition, then I myself am a hater. Despite taking the time to write what I do here, I don't hate Kate, I don't wish ill of her, nor would I ever say anything to her simply out of spite. I wouldn't be writing this at all if I hadn't enjoyed her vlogs at some point along the way. I don't feel I'm a hateful person, but I would certainly admit I'm cynical. So I do believe that she's changed, and I do believe that there are occasional incidents which lead to suspicion. You better believe that I'm going to talk about it and ask questions, because that's just how I am. I don't believe everything I see and hear. And as it turned out, I had good reason.
This brings us to where Kate said she didn't lie about anything. "Lie" is a strong word, which I won't use directly without specific proof. But she certainly misled. Their relationship began in October all along. It was a kiss and an admission of feelings for one another; whether they acted on it again in the following two months is beside the point in my opinion, because it was a major event of their friendship/relationship. My problem with it though is that, in the videos which followed the New Years kiss, they talked and cuddled and were admitting on camera the first times that they'd felt that way, how this was all a new thing, and essentially as if they'd never expressed feelings prior to this. Kate didn't have to actually tell us at the time of the first kiss, but you would think that she'd have offered this information soon after New Years. Given that she didn't tell us about this to begin with, we're still taking Kate's word that this new information is any more factual than the last. And even if it's true, she still made a conscious decision to mislead the fans. I don't remember if she specifically apologized for doing so (and honestly don't really care enough to go and look), but it doesn't inspire trust, regardless. Though she may in fact be telling the truth this time, which I won't really dispute based solely on her leaving details out.
She said that if there's any more questions then to just ask in the comments. I was certainly going to do so, but it looks like I'm blocked. Apparently I'm one of those people bringing too much negativity to her life! I don't know if she associated my comments on her channel with this blog (if she even knows anything about it), or whether it was solely from the comments themselves. Based on how fanboy behavior is very predictable, I'm somewhat confident that a handful of white knights have sent her links to here. Whether she ever actually looked at it though is the question. And hey, maybe I actually was an ass to some people in the comments, depending on your point of view. I made quite a few comments, so I won't pretend to be completely innocent. But if it were related to the blog at all, then I'd be slightly disappointed. This is my place to talk about how I feel about things which interest me, where I think out loud in deducing a situation, and don't actually direct what I say towards anyone. You have to seek me out to hear what I have to say. So block me for making comments, not for having opinions. But at the end of the day it just doesn't bother me enough to find out why or attempt to get it undone.
This all still leaves us with unresolved questions, such as Seann Larson's remarks, or all of the screenshots from Facebook regarding Cory in a relationship. Maybe the former is lying, and maybe the latter was Photoshopped. But let's consider something regarding the latter: what are the odds that people faked an image from Facebook, which has apparently been circulating the web for a little while now, based on the exact same month when Kate and Cory did in fact kiss for the first time (unbeknownst to the fans till now)? Don't you think that's a huge coincidence? Could be that Cory simply overreacted to the kiss. I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
As for the future, it looks like the "vlog idea" Kate had is just combining multiple days into one video, which still does next to nothing for her privacy or the haters, the very things which she says stopped her to begin with. But I won't likely be watching. I'm blocked, for one, which will be a constant reminder that she's not interested in my opinions, so why should I continue to be interested in hers? And second, there's still unanswered things to be suspicious about in my opinion, leaving me to presently question the legitimacy of her future vlogs. And last, but most importantly, I meant what I said before about Kate not being the same person anymore. I don't care if hearing that kind of thing is part of why she quit vlogging, it's true. Don't get me wrong, people change; Kate will continue to change, just as all the rest of us will. But she doesn't entertain me the way she used to. It's like a TV show which you aren't entirely interested in anymore, but you still watch because you want to know what happens to the characters. Sometimes, though, you come to a point where you just can't bring yourself to keep watching. And based on how I feel at this particular moment, I think that time is pretty much here for me and KatersOneSeven (and all of Cory's channels, by relation).
Her vlog used to be one of the highlights of my time online, much as Shaycarl or CTFxC used to be, but unfortunately I can't say that anymore. The tears she expressed in her explanation video didn't really move me, although there was a time when they probably would have, which I think says a lot. I don't see the same genuine girl anymore, I see an aspiring actress who only wants to portray happy things instead of real life; someone who would mislead her fans and hide aspects of her life, things which I believe she once would have shared, in order to mold our perception. I watch vlogs because I want to watch real people with real problems, just the same as all the rest of us have. For example, I liked back when Shaycarl was a normal fellow, working a radio job, paying a mortgage, and raising a family no different than anyone else. But much like with Shaycarl these days, Kate's problems, the ones she actually still chooses to share, are just not relatable to me anymore. I'm just not really interested in what constitutes her life most of the time now. I very harshly referred to her before as a stereotypical California girl, but as mean as it might sound, it's just how I see her most of the time now, especially more recently. I would very likely never associate with a person like that in real life (and vice versa), which is probably why I'm so critical of her vlogs these days, because I would in fact have associated with someone like the old Kate. There's moments when I think she's still being genuine, but then there's also lots of times now when I actually stop to question it, which is never how it's supposed to be. There's still some Youtubers/vloggers out there which I never stop to question.
So perhaps this is the end of the line for me. I'm sure it is for many others as well. Plenty of people on the fence will probably accept Kate's explanations though, and the rest will question it but keep watching anyway. And this doesn't count the fanboys, who are probably proudly strutting around the comments about having stuck by her. Regardless of which you are, this incident likely won't hurt her views/subscriptions much at all. Everyone's shock will wear off now that she's posting again, and things will start to return to normal. The only thing that could really will hurt her popularity at this point is switching to the somewhat-weekly format and thinking her occasional skits could make up for the lack of views. It's certainly not going to help her much with any of the reasons she quit to begin with, though.
I'm sure I still have things to say about all this as they come to mind, and I'm sure new information will still come about in the following days until all the dust has finally settled. She did say that people can ask questions in the comments, so maybe people will ask some of the stuff mentioned here. But as far as I can tell, for the most part, it's pretty much over.
The first half of the explanation for the vlogs ending is indeed what was being alluded to: she was scared for her safety. And I don't question for a second that she has dozens of fucked up fanboys who hang on her every word, to the point that their lives practically revolve around her. And I'm sure there's varying degrees of them as well, from the simple comment warriors all the way to the crazy fucks who would actually think it's okay to go to her house or mess with her stuff. Those people need a pop in the nose, and it'd be funny if Kate or Cory gave it to'em.
But, as we've previously covered, finding out where she lives isn't very hard, so she shouldn't be too surprised that eventually she would start having these kinds of issues. Several of the big vloggers I've watched, such as Shaycarl, have remarked on similar issues of people just showing up uninvited. Some are nuts, and some are truly just stupid enough to think it's okay to just show up. It comes with the territory, particularly for an attractive girl on the internet. When you have 100k people watching you as Kate does, then you're certainly a celebrity, only on a smaller scale than the Hollywood variety. She should be better prepared to deal with this, and I don't even say that out of criticism, but just in general regard for anyone in her position against all the idiots out there.
Now for the second half of her reasoning for ending the vlogs: haters. I'll give her that one, to some degree. People can be assholes, many times intentionally wanting to hurt someone's feelings or rile them up. The cover of anonymity brings out the worst in people, whether they're simply having a bad day, jealous, or just outright trolling. But dealing with haters is something you have to do, more so than with the crazy folks. Ask Justin Bieber. If it's going to upset you to the point that you're crying "every day" then it's probably time to find a less stressful occupation.
I do have a bone to pick with this excuse, though; I think she's combining the average troll with people who offer constructive criticism or question things which she doesn't want to talk about. If enough fans don't like a particular something, then perhaps she should be listening. Also, under that definition, then I myself am a hater. Despite taking the time to write what I do here, I don't hate Kate, I don't wish ill of her, nor would I ever say anything to her simply out of spite. I wouldn't be writing this at all if I hadn't enjoyed her vlogs at some point along the way. I don't feel I'm a hateful person, but I would certainly admit I'm cynical. So I do believe that she's changed, and I do believe that there are occasional incidents which lead to suspicion. You better believe that I'm going to talk about it and ask questions, because that's just how I am. I don't believe everything I see and hear. And as it turned out, I had good reason.
This brings us to where Kate said she didn't lie about anything. "Lie" is a strong word, which I won't use directly without specific proof. But she certainly misled. Their relationship began in October all along. It was a kiss and an admission of feelings for one another; whether they acted on it again in the following two months is beside the point in my opinion, because it was a major event of their friendship/relationship. My problem with it though is that, in the videos which followed the New Years kiss, they talked and cuddled and were admitting on camera the first times that they'd felt that way, how this was all a new thing, and essentially as if they'd never expressed feelings prior to this. Kate didn't have to actually tell us at the time of the first kiss, but you would think that she'd have offered this information soon after New Years. Given that she didn't tell us about this to begin with, we're still taking Kate's word that this new information is any more factual than the last. And even if it's true, she still made a conscious decision to mislead the fans. I don't remember if she specifically apologized for doing so (and honestly don't really care enough to go and look), but it doesn't inspire trust, regardless. Though she may in fact be telling the truth this time, which I won't really dispute based solely on her leaving details out.
She said that if there's any more questions then to just ask in the comments. I was certainly going to do so, but it looks like I'm blocked. Apparently I'm one of those people bringing too much negativity to her life! I don't know if she associated my comments on her channel with this blog (if she even knows anything about it), or whether it was solely from the comments themselves. Based on how fanboy behavior is very predictable, I'm somewhat confident that a handful of white knights have sent her links to here. Whether she ever actually looked at it though is the question. And hey, maybe I actually was an ass to some people in the comments, depending on your point of view. I made quite a few comments, so I won't pretend to be completely innocent. But if it were related to the blog at all, then I'd be slightly disappointed. This is my place to talk about how I feel about things which interest me, where I think out loud in deducing a situation, and don't actually direct what I say towards anyone. You have to seek me out to hear what I have to say. So block me for making comments, not for having opinions. But at the end of the day it just doesn't bother me enough to find out why or attempt to get it undone.
This all still leaves us with unresolved questions, such as Seann Larson's remarks, or all of the screenshots from Facebook regarding Cory in a relationship. Maybe the former is lying, and maybe the latter was Photoshopped. But let's consider something regarding the latter: what are the odds that people faked an image from Facebook, which has apparently been circulating the web for a little while now, based on the exact same month when Kate and Cory did in fact kiss for the first time (unbeknownst to the fans till now)? Don't you think that's a huge coincidence? Could be that Cory simply overreacted to the kiss. I doubt we'll ever know for sure.
As for the future, it looks like the "vlog idea" Kate had is just combining multiple days into one video, which still does next to nothing for her privacy or the haters, the very things which she says stopped her to begin with. But I won't likely be watching. I'm blocked, for one, which will be a constant reminder that she's not interested in my opinions, so why should I continue to be interested in hers? And second, there's still unanswered things to be suspicious about in my opinion, leaving me to presently question the legitimacy of her future vlogs. And last, but most importantly, I meant what I said before about Kate not being the same person anymore. I don't care if hearing that kind of thing is part of why she quit vlogging, it's true. Don't get me wrong, people change; Kate will continue to change, just as all the rest of us will. But she doesn't entertain me the way she used to. It's like a TV show which you aren't entirely interested in anymore, but you still watch because you want to know what happens to the characters. Sometimes, though, you come to a point where you just can't bring yourself to keep watching. And based on how I feel at this particular moment, I think that time is pretty much here for me and KatersOneSeven (and all of Cory's channels, by relation).
Her vlog used to be one of the highlights of my time online, much as Shaycarl or CTFxC used to be, but unfortunately I can't say that anymore. The tears she expressed in her explanation video didn't really move me, although there was a time when they probably would have, which I think says a lot. I don't see the same genuine girl anymore, I see an aspiring actress who only wants to portray happy things instead of real life; someone who would mislead her fans and hide aspects of her life, things which I believe she once would have shared, in order to mold our perception. I watch vlogs because I want to watch real people with real problems, just the same as all the rest of us have. For example, I liked back when Shaycarl was a normal fellow, working a radio job, paying a mortgage, and raising a family no different than anyone else. But much like with Shaycarl these days, Kate's problems, the ones she actually still chooses to share, are just not relatable to me anymore. I'm just not really interested in what constitutes her life most of the time now. I very harshly referred to her before as a stereotypical California girl, but as mean as it might sound, it's just how I see her most of the time now, especially more recently. I would very likely never associate with a person like that in real life (and vice versa), which is probably why I'm so critical of her vlogs these days, because I would in fact have associated with someone like the old Kate. There's moments when I think she's still being genuine, but then there's also lots of times now when I actually stop to question it, which is never how it's supposed to be. There's still some Youtubers/vloggers out there which I never stop to question.
So perhaps this is the end of the line for me. I'm sure it is for many others as well. Plenty of people on the fence will probably accept Kate's explanations though, and the rest will question it but keep watching anyway. And this doesn't count the fanboys, who are probably proudly strutting around the comments about having stuck by her. Regardless of which you are, this incident likely won't hurt her views/subscriptions much at all. Everyone's shock will wear off now that she's posting again, and things will start to return to normal. The only thing that could really will hurt her popularity at this point is switching to the somewhat-weekly format and thinking her occasional skits could make up for the lack of views. It's certainly not going to help her much with any of the reasons she quit to begin with, though.
I'm sure I still have things to say about all this as they come to mind, and I'm sure new information will still come about in the following days until all the dust has finally settled. She did say that people can ask questions in the comments, so maybe people will ask some of the stuff mentioned here. But as far as I can tell, for the most part, it's pretty much over.
All Quiet on the Western Front
So the KatersOneSeven drama has presently quietened, but still left in the air. Though there's still a few things worthy of note.
First up, Kate deleted her final vlog. I'm sure plenty of people saved a copy, but it's not exactly anything worth keeping in my opinion. The only thing of possible value in it was where the beginning referred to the car break-in thing, and one might have been able to use that for possible evidence in their theories. Apparently quite a few people question the validity of the situation. Other than that, sayonara. (UPDATE: She made it visible again shortly after writing this, with comments disabled.)
Second, commenting was also restored on the other videos. But as I predicted last post, it's all been radically pruned, with censoring and possible blocking gone into full effect. Personally I roll my eyes at the "out of sight, out of mind" method of damage control. This situation is way too big to quietly sweep under the rug. Just address it already.
Third, she mentioned on Twitter that she's "so excited for my vlogging idea I can't even tell you! I've already started!" I'm not quite sure how you can have a "vlogging idea" given that vlogging can't really be any different than it ever was, other than changing the schedule on which you post them, and I can't see how one would be excited about that. But hey, it's pretty much the first time she's really even addressed the situation, so there's that.
I saw someone say something in a comment somewhere which I think was relevant enough to repeat, which goes along with what I was saying before regarding crazy fans and stalkers. Basically they said that if Kate and Cory were worried about their safety, then why are they still Tweeting/Facebooking/Keeking? Absolutely true. You wouldn't end just the vlogs if you felt that it were an immediate safety concern, you'd cut all of it off. And I'm fairly certain that Cory said something in a Tweet which may have hinted at blaming that break-in incident for the vlogs ending, but I can't find it now to be sure. But either way, whatever, I'm calling bullshit on it; safety couldn't have been a concern based on their online behavior afterwards.
Speaking of Cory, I did engage in a brief dialog with him regarding the Seann Larson thing, part of which you've seen, which essentially resulted in him repeating that he had no reason to defend himself. It concluded with this: "Please stop bringing this up. I didn't do anything wrong and I shouldn't be involved. I just make people happy for a living." The Tweet is still there, mind you. So I told him okay, that since he asked nicely, I'll respect that. Then he thanked me, and that was that.
That being said, I do still think that his response didn't really answer anything, and the "just make people happy for a living" part was really unnecessary and diverting from the point. As to whether he did anything wrong, he's not specific on what in particular he means. I'm to assume he means that he didn't cheat on Steph with Kate, but the "I shouldn't be involved" part maybe implies that he's referring to the situation with Kate ending her vlogs. So who knows, no point in trying to dissect it. He's obviously not going to give a clear answer on the issue of him/Steph/Seann/Kate, so I plan to keep my word on not bothering him about it anymore.
I mean, other than the Seann Larson comment, the only real evidence that I've seen of the rumor regarding Kate being with Cory before New Years are a couple of screencaps from Facebook, and I don't tend to believe anything on the internet unless I can see it for myself. That's especially due to seeing some actual fake stuff out there, such as Kate supposedly calling some guy a nigger in an email. So it's all still speculation as far as I'm concerned. All I know is that Steph sure lived at the apartment for quite some time after Cory stopped wearing his wedding ring, which throws enough of a wrench in the rumor for me to have no idea what the hell to believe.
I think the only other thing worth mentioning is that a few people seem to be upset that Kate Tweeted a picture of herself wearing things that Dedikaters sent her, mentioning that they make her feel safe. Folks are saying that she rarely wears their stuff, or certainly not that much at a time, and that it's obviously to suck up. I think the timing is certainly suspicious, but I can't really offer any opinion beyond that since I honestly have no idea if she wears that kind of stuff often. I don't pay attention to her jewelry, and don't care enough to go and look!
I guess that's it. Everything else is pretty much them still behaving as if everything's normal.
Oh and hey, thanks to everyone who's started following and commenting on this vlog. It's nice to be able to discuss this with folks and try to figure this mess out in a place where we won't get deleted for doing so!
p.s. I forgot to mention, Kate's subscribers have stopped dropping, and went up by a small amount today (Friday). I assume the trend will continue, making up for any losses, and eventually life will go on with people likely forgetting this all ever happened.
First up, Kate deleted her final vlog. I'm sure plenty of people saved a copy, but it's not exactly anything worth keeping in my opinion. The only thing of possible value in it was where the beginning referred to the car break-in thing, and one might have been able to use that for possible evidence in their theories. Apparently quite a few people question the validity of the situation. Other than that, sayonara. (UPDATE: She made it visible again shortly after writing this, with comments disabled.)
Second, commenting was also restored on the other videos. But as I predicted last post, it's all been radically pruned, with censoring and possible blocking gone into full effect. Personally I roll my eyes at the "out of sight, out of mind" method of damage control. This situation is way too big to quietly sweep under the rug. Just address it already.
Third, she mentioned on Twitter that she's "so excited for my vlogging idea I can't even tell you! I've already started!" I'm not quite sure how you can have a "vlogging idea" given that vlogging can't really be any different than it ever was, other than changing the schedule on which you post them, and I can't see how one would be excited about that. But hey, it's pretty much the first time she's really even addressed the situation, so there's that.
I saw someone say something in a comment somewhere which I think was relevant enough to repeat, which goes along with what I was saying before regarding crazy fans and stalkers. Basically they said that if Kate and Cory were worried about their safety, then why are they still Tweeting/Facebooking/Keeking? Absolutely true. You wouldn't end just the vlogs if you felt that it were an immediate safety concern, you'd cut all of it off. And I'm fairly certain that Cory said something in a Tweet which may have hinted at blaming that break-in incident for the vlogs ending, but I can't find it now to be sure. But either way, whatever, I'm calling bullshit on it; safety couldn't have been a concern based on their online behavior afterwards.
Speaking of Cory, I did engage in a brief dialog with him regarding the Seann Larson thing, part of which you've seen, which essentially resulted in him repeating that he had no reason to defend himself. It concluded with this: "Please stop bringing this up. I didn't do anything wrong and I shouldn't be involved. I just make people happy for a living." The Tweet is still there, mind you. So I told him okay, that since he asked nicely, I'll respect that. Then he thanked me, and that was that.
That being said, I do still think that his response didn't really answer anything, and the "just make people happy for a living" part was really unnecessary and diverting from the point. As to whether he did anything wrong, he's not specific on what in particular he means. I'm to assume he means that he didn't cheat on Steph with Kate, but the "I shouldn't be involved" part maybe implies that he's referring to the situation with Kate ending her vlogs. So who knows, no point in trying to dissect it. He's obviously not going to give a clear answer on the issue of him/Steph/Seann/Kate, so I plan to keep my word on not bothering him about it anymore.
I mean, other than the Seann Larson comment, the only real evidence that I've seen of the rumor regarding Kate being with Cory before New Years are a couple of screencaps from Facebook, and I don't tend to believe anything on the internet unless I can see it for myself. That's especially due to seeing some actual fake stuff out there, such as Kate supposedly calling some guy a nigger in an email. So it's all still speculation as far as I'm concerned. All I know is that Steph sure lived at the apartment for quite some time after Cory stopped wearing his wedding ring, which throws enough of a wrench in the rumor for me to have no idea what the hell to believe.
I think the only other thing worth mentioning is that a few people seem to be upset that Kate Tweeted a picture of herself wearing things that Dedikaters sent her, mentioning that they make her feel safe. Folks are saying that she rarely wears their stuff, or certainly not that much at a time, and that it's obviously to suck up. I think the timing is certainly suspicious, but I can't really offer any opinion beyond that since I honestly have no idea if she wears that kind of stuff often. I don't pay attention to her jewelry, and don't care enough to go and look!
I guess that's it. Everything else is pretty much them still behaving as if everything's normal.
Oh and hey, thanks to everyone who's started following and commenting on this vlog. It's nice to be able to discuss this with folks and try to figure this mess out in a place where we won't get deleted for doing so!
p.s. I forgot to mention, Kate's subscribers have stopped dropping, and went up by a small amount today (Friday). I assume the trend will continue, making up for any losses, and eventually life will go on with people likely forgetting this all ever happened.
Thursday, January 3, 2013
Plots, They Thicken
This story is like the Energizer Bunny, cause the developments keep on going.
People are saying that Kate disabled comments on her last several videos, which is a bit illogical to me given that people are just going to flock to the last video before that where comments are still allowed. In fact, I looked, and that's exactly what they're doing! I imagine that if the comments ever get enabled again, though, that they'll be thoroughly pruned. Kate does have a tendency to silence critics, after all. Has happened to me more than once.
Meanwhile, last night I sent Cory a Tweet to point out to him that the evidence regarding the Seann Larson account on Youtube pointed to it really being him, and asked him for the real story. When I checked my email this morning, I found a Tweet reply:
The reason I'm uploading a screenshot instead of linking you to the Tweet directly is because when I clicked to reply, the original Tweet is now apparently gone. So I guess Cory spoke without thinking and quickly swept up the mess.
So now you're left with the option to believe whether that image is real or not since there's no other proof to the contrary, unless one of you out there captured the Tweet before he deleted it. I know that I would automatically be skeptical, as I've been with other screencaps, so you'll just have to take that as you will.
That being said, it makes me wonder; is Cory now implying that Steph cheated on him? Or is he simply saying that after they separated (but not divorced) is when Steph got with Seann? But the way he says it almost implies that he's defending himself being with Kate before the divorce due to Steph being with Seann
If it turns out all the rumors are wrong, and that Steph actually cheated on Cory, then I would have some degree of sympathy for him. But I honestly don't know how to take what he said. So I just replied back to him that he should in fact defend himself if things aren't how Seann accused in that Youtube comment. I mean seriously, if it were that guy and/or Steph who are spreading shit, then Cory really should set things straight instead of letting things get this far out of control. Rumors spread like wildfire, with most people never bothering to try to confirm anything.
So yeah, I dunno. No matter how you look at this situation, things aren't how they seem. It's all probably going to come down to how much everyone was lied to, and what they were lied to about.
People are saying that Kate disabled comments on her last several videos, which is a bit illogical to me given that people are just going to flock to the last video before that where comments are still allowed. In fact, I looked, and that's exactly what they're doing! I imagine that if the comments ever get enabled again, though, that they'll be thoroughly pruned. Kate does have a tendency to silence critics, after all. Has happened to me more than once.
Meanwhile, last night I sent Cory a Tweet to point out to him that the evidence regarding the Seann Larson account on Youtube pointed to it really being him, and asked him for the real story. When I checked my email this morning, I found a Tweet reply:
The reason I'm uploading a screenshot instead of linking you to the Tweet directly is because when I clicked to reply, the original Tweet is now apparently gone. So I guess Cory spoke without thinking and quickly swept up the mess.
So now you're left with the option to believe whether that image is real or not since there's no other proof to the contrary, unless one of you out there captured the Tweet before he deleted it. I know that I would automatically be skeptical, as I've been with other screencaps, so you'll just have to take that as you will.
That being said, it makes me wonder; is Cory now implying that Steph cheated on him? Or is he simply saying that after they separated (but not divorced) is when Steph got with Seann? But the way he says it almost implies that he's defending himself being with Kate before the divorce due to Steph being with Seann
If it turns out all the rumors are wrong, and that Steph actually cheated on Cory, then I would have some degree of sympathy for him. But I honestly don't know how to take what he said. So I just replied back to him that he should in fact defend himself if things aren't how Seann accused in that Youtube comment. I mean seriously, if it were that guy and/or Steph who are spreading shit, then Cory really should set things straight instead of letting things get this far out of control. Rumors spread like wildfire, with most people never bothering to try to confirm anything.
So yeah, I dunno. No matter how you look at this situation, things aren't how they seem. It's all probably going to come down to how much everyone was lied to, and what they were lied to about.
News at 17
I feel like one of those news anchors who keeps covering a developing story. And this is all still regarding KatersOneSeven and SMPFilms, so if you don't care about them then I'm sure there's some cute cat videos or awesome crashes or something somewhere you could be watching instead.
So, Steph's boyfriend, Seann Larson, posted that comment on Youtube saying that Cory and Kate had fooled around before he was even divorced, and is in fact what prompted the divorce. When people confronted Cory about this, he simply denied that that Youtube account was even Seann. Well since I prefer not to spread blatant rumors and at least try to confirm the info, I did my own digging.
There's two Youtube accounts here in question. One is killingunclbld (but titled Seann Larson), the other is SeannLarson. The former made the comment regarding Cory and Kate. So, first of all, those two Youtube accounts "Feature" each other, so obviously they belong to the same person. They also both "Feature" Steph, for what it's worth. Second, the video on killingunclbld has Steph in it, as you can see her dog and her pants, identical to the ones in Steph's video on SMPLady. Third, you'll also notice that the SeannLarson profile has liked some band local to Oakdale. Oakdale is where both Seann and Steph live. Aside from the Youtube channel, a Mylife profile also confirms the same Seann Larson is in Oakdale. Now we go to Steph's Facebook page. The same Seann Larson is in New Years photos with Steph. Steph owns The Craft Haus, a business in Oakdale, CA. So, location confirmed. Lastly, we come full circle, and find an old band profile of Seann, where he links a now-defunct Myspace account with the user ID killingunclbld.
The Youtube account in question is almost undoubtedly Seann's. I asked him myself on Facebook, but no response yet. He either hasn't seen my message or chose not to answer, which is totally fine because I'm intruding by even asking him, and admitted as much in my message to him. But I think I've collected enough evidence to be 99% positive without him responding.
So we're at a point where there's essentially three possibilities: Steph lied to Seann, Seann lied to Youtube, or Cory cheated on Steph with Kate.
We also take into account that Cory has now apparently deleted some tweets. And Seann has now supposedly deleted his Youtube comment. And suddenly everyone is silent.
STAY TUNED? Or don't. Seriously, I don't know how much longer I can write about this mess!
UPDATE: I wanted to update this post with some info which I didn't feel relevant enough to be a separate post. If anyone is still doubting the legitimacy of the Seann Larson comment on Youtube despite the info I just provided, then I've collected further evidence. Seann Larson has a newer Myspace account. Newer, as in started in 2007. Seann Larson was a member of the Carousel Massacre band, which he has friended the account of on Myspace. The Myspace profile for this band lists "www.CarouselMassacre.5u.com" as their website, which brings us full circle to the band profile page linked above, which contains the ID matching the Youtube account. The Killinguncldbld account on Youtube has been there since 2006.
So, Steph's boyfriend, Seann Larson, posted that comment on Youtube saying that Cory and Kate had fooled around before he was even divorced, and is in fact what prompted the divorce. When people confronted Cory about this, he simply denied that that Youtube account was even Seann. Well since I prefer not to spread blatant rumors and at least try to confirm the info, I did my own digging.
There's two Youtube accounts here in question. One is killingunclbld (but titled Seann Larson), the other is SeannLarson. The former made the comment regarding Cory and Kate. So, first of all, those two Youtube accounts "Feature" each other, so obviously they belong to the same person. They also both "Feature" Steph, for what it's worth. Second, the video on killingunclbld has Steph in it, as you can see her dog and her pants, identical to the ones in Steph's video on SMPLady. Third, you'll also notice that the SeannLarson profile has liked some band local to Oakdale. Oakdale is where both Seann and Steph live. Aside from the Youtube channel, a Mylife profile also confirms the same Seann Larson is in Oakdale. Now we go to Steph's Facebook page. The same Seann Larson is in New Years photos with Steph. Steph owns The Craft Haus, a business in Oakdale, CA. So, location confirmed. Lastly, we come full circle, and find an old band profile of Seann, where he links a now-defunct Myspace account with the user ID killingunclbld.
The Youtube account in question is almost undoubtedly Seann's. I asked him myself on Facebook, but no response yet. He either hasn't seen my message or chose not to answer, which is totally fine because I'm intruding by even asking him, and admitted as much in my message to him. But I think I've collected enough evidence to be 99% positive without him responding.
So we're at a point where there's essentially three possibilities: Steph lied to Seann, Seann lied to Youtube, or Cory cheated on Steph with Kate.
We also take into account that Cory has now apparently deleted some tweets. And Seann has now supposedly deleted his Youtube comment. And suddenly everyone is silent.
STAY TUNED? Or don't. Seriously, I don't know how much longer I can write about this mess!
UPDATE: I wanted to update this post with some info which I didn't feel relevant enough to be a separate post. If anyone is still doubting the legitimacy of the Seann Larson comment on Youtube despite the info I just provided, then I've collected further evidence. Seann Larson has a newer Myspace account. Newer, as in started in 2007. Seann Larson was a member of the Carousel Massacre band, which he has friended the account of on Myspace. The Myspace profile for this band lists "www.CarouselMassacre.5u.com" as their website, which brings us full circle to the band profile page linked above, which contains the ID matching the Youtube account. The Killinguncldbld account on Youtube has been there since 2006.
Wednesday, January 2, 2013
SMPSpam
I had to post about this, because it cracked me up. I was browsing through the comments again on the last Katers video when I saw someone comment about Cory having said something. Took me a bit to find it, because he posted it as DudeLikeHella instead of SMPFilms. What cracked me up is that the comment was marked as spam. If that's not proof of peoples' attitudes about all of this, nothing is.
As for the content, blah blah:
Don't you think it's funny that his attempt to calm people down came shortly before a Tweet from Kate to plug Ding Ding's Youtube channel debut?
..I swear I think my intelligence drops a little every time I say that poor dog's name.
Anyway, if it turns out that the car break-in incident is what triggered this, then give me a break. She's an attractive girl on the internet who shares her life with thousands of people; of course one of them is eventually bound to get too close. If the car had been locked and the alarm set, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten inside very easily. Cory's jeep is another story, because any random kid could get into one of those. And besides, we've heard no evidence that it even was a fan who did it. People break into shit. If you park two cars near each other then it's no surprise they'd target both.
Not to mention, does she think her address is a secret? Quite a while back I found out where they lived after a few minutes of Googling and some looking around on Google Maps. I was able to figure out exactly which apartment was Kate's (back when she had her own) and Cory's just from various camera shots of one vlog. And this was purely out of curiosity. I think it was back when Kate had said that her mother told her not to walk around at night time, and then a few videos later there she was out walking around at night to Target or something, which prompted me to see just how far out she was dawdling around in the dark. I think around the same time I also found out where Shay Carl's fancy new house was in Idaho, because I wanted to check the property value, which ended up proving to me that he had way more money than he let on, because he'd bought it outright. Regardless, point is, nobody's information is truly secret. It's just a matter of degree as to how difficult it is to obtain it. In the case of the aforementioned Youtubers, it was incredibly easy. Don't be surprised when someone with ill intent shows up, and then suddenly screw over your entire subscriber base and career in response. And again, we're still assuming it even was someone from the internet.
So anyway, yeah. Kate will likely release some tearful video soon, then, trying to reconcile with viewers (read: limit lost income potential). Many of them will come running back to her to say "I knew it" and immediately attempt to separate themselves from everyone who posted a negative comment. A number of others who did respond negatively will then apologize, or simply accept Kate's apology, and resume their regular posterior endearment of her. The amount of negativity from everyone else, however, is still yet to be seen!
As for the content, blah blah:
Hey guys! First of all, lets take a big breath in together. Ready? In.... aaand out. Feels better right? We all just need to relax. There's a good reason for all of this. She'll clear it up for everyone soon. On behalf of myself and Kate, we're sorry this happened. We don't hate you but we do appreciate you all for the years you've given us. As for the rumors... I'm pregnant. :D
Don't you think it's funny that his attempt to calm people down came shortly before a Tweet from Kate to plug Ding Ding's Youtube channel debut?
..I swear I think my intelligence drops a little every time I say that poor dog's name.
Anyway, if it turns out that the car break-in incident is what triggered this, then give me a break. She's an attractive girl on the internet who shares her life with thousands of people; of course one of them is eventually bound to get too close. If the car had been locked and the alarm set, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten inside very easily. Cory's jeep is another story, because any random kid could get into one of those. And besides, we've heard no evidence that it even was a fan who did it. People break into shit. If you park two cars near each other then it's no surprise they'd target both.
Not to mention, does she think her address is a secret? Quite a while back I found out where they lived after a few minutes of Googling and some looking around on Google Maps. I was able to figure out exactly which apartment was Kate's (back when she had her own) and Cory's just from various camera shots of one vlog. And this was purely out of curiosity. I think it was back when Kate had said that her mother told her not to walk around at night time, and then a few videos later there she was out walking around at night to Target or something, which prompted me to see just how far out she was dawdling around in the dark. I think around the same time I also found out where Shay Carl's fancy new house was in Idaho, because I wanted to check the property value, which ended up proving to me that he had way more money than he let on, because he'd bought it outright. Regardless, point is, nobody's information is truly secret. It's just a matter of degree as to how difficult it is to obtain it. In the case of the aforementioned Youtubers, it was incredibly easy. Don't be surprised when someone with ill intent shows up, and then suddenly screw over your entire subscriber base and career in response. And again, we're still assuming it even was someone from the internet.
So anyway, yeah. Kate will likely release some tearful video soon, then, trying to reconcile with viewers (read: limit lost income potential). Many of them will come running back to her to say "I knew it" and immediately attempt to separate themselves from everyone who posted a negative comment. A number of others who did respond negatively will then apologize, or simply accept Kate's apology, and resume their regular posterior endearment of her. The amount of negativity from everyone else, however, is still yet to be seen!
Drama Denial
KatersOneSeven leaves her fanbase in shambles, then completely ignores it while going on elsewhere about how awesome everything is in her life right now. Then many of her fans adamantly proclaim in the comments that they're not bothered by her decision, while defending her actions. I think there's enough denial to go around for everyone!
I know it's bad form to mess with people in comments, but I couldn't resist lately. It's like some of these people see themselves as completely separate from those who are upset, as if somehow Kate's unprofessional exit wasn't meant for them because they're still loyal fans. Sorry, folks, but Kate's double middle was directed at everyone, no matter how firmly your lips are planted to her ass. In fact, I might even go as far as to say she ended it like this intentionally to upset them. So there is no "loyal fan" and "dedihater." There's simply one large group of people covered in Ding Ding.
Think about how many incidents have sent Kate into tears, though. Everything from the stealing sunglasses incident, to her fish dying, to having a meltdown over her hair color. Each of these incidents, and others, evoked several minutes of tears and response in her vlogs. So I refuse to believe that if she cared about vlogging at all that she could simply throw her sixty-second bow on top and leave without that producing any visible emotion. Either it was all an act, or her grand finale was an act of spite which she passive-aggressively enjoyed. Somehow, some people are fine with that. Or they're simply too dense to think beyond the fanboy/fangirl mindset.
I've heard some little things over the last day or two which are interesting. There's the screenshot of Cory's Facebook set to "in a relationship" in October, before the New Years kiss. That could be fake, sure, I dunno. I don't care enough to dig through his Facebook to find it, if it's still there and not private. Though then there's the coincidental October 29th vlog, supposedly exactly one year after the Facebook thing, where Cory somehow found tickets in a letter he supposedly never opened to take Kate to Disneyland. And then we find out that Steph's boyfriend posted a response on a different video to say that Steph left Cory because he'd been fooling around with Kate even back then. So who really knows what to believe. At this point though I'd believe pretty much any of it.
As someone who has been generally dissatisfied with Kate for quite a while now (as evidenced by so many blog posts about it!), I can say that I won't really miss the vlogs. Nor do I believe I would ever start watching them again if she did decide to continue. If she came back and offered some kind of believable apology and explanation, then I would at least give her the benefit of the doubt. But I'm fairly certain that the shallow valley girl persona I've perceived has been solidified. There's essentially nothing left of the vlogs I subscribed to.
At this point, she is quite literally the stereotypical bleached blond aspiring actress living in California who totes a tiny dog in one arm and a Starbucks in the other, following dollar signs wherever they may lead her. And it will take a heck of a lot now to convince me of otherwise.
My question is whether she bought Ding Ding solely to use to make money on Youtube, or whether she'll scrap that channel entirely after all of this.
On the bright side, it's good for this kind of thing to happen. There's enough fake garbage out there, from "reality" TV to modern music, than for it to be bleeding over into the vlogging world too. People should learn to question things more often, and be prepared to accept that it might not be what it appeared.
I know it's bad form to mess with people in comments, but I couldn't resist lately. It's like some of these people see themselves as completely separate from those who are upset, as if somehow Kate's unprofessional exit wasn't meant for them because they're still loyal fans. Sorry, folks, but Kate's double middle was directed at everyone, no matter how firmly your lips are planted to her ass. In fact, I might even go as far as to say she ended it like this intentionally to upset them. So there is no "loyal fan" and "dedihater." There's simply one large group of people covered in Ding Ding.
Think about how many incidents have sent Kate into tears, though. Everything from the stealing sunglasses incident, to her fish dying, to having a meltdown over her hair color. Each of these incidents, and others, evoked several minutes of tears and response in her vlogs. So I refuse to believe that if she cared about vlogging at all that she could simply throw her sixty-second bow on top and leave without that producing any visible emotion. Either it was all an act, or her grand finale was an act of spite which she passive-aggressively enjoyed. Somehow, some people are fine with that. Or they're simply too dense to think beyond the fanboy/fangirl mindset.
I've heard some little things over the last day or two which are interesting. There's the screenshot of Cory's Facebook set to "in a relationship" in October, before the New Years kiss. That could be fake, sure, I dunno. I don't care enough to dig through his Facebook to find it, if it's still there and not private. Though then there's the coincidental October 29th vlog, supposedly exactly one year after the Facebook thing, where Cory somehow found tickets in a letter he supposedly never opened to take Kate to Disneyland. And then we find out that Steph's boyfriend posted a response on a different video to say that Steph left Cory because he'd been fooling around with Kate even back then. So who really knows what to believe. At this point though I'd believe pretty much any of it.
As someone who has been generally dissatisfied with Kate for quite a while now (as evidenced by so many blog posts about it!), I can say that I won't really miss the vlogs. Nor do I believe I would ever start watching them again if she did decide to continue. If she came back and offered some kind of believable apology and explanation, then I would at least give her the benefit of the doubt. But I'm fairly certain that the shallow valley girl persona I've perceived has been solidified. There's essentially nothing left of the vlogs I subscribed to.
At this point, she is quite literally the stereotypical bleached blond aspiring actress living in California who totes a tiny dog in one arm and a Starbucks in the other, following dollar signs wherever they may lead her. And it will take a heck of a lot now to convince me of otherwise.
My question is whether she bought Ding Ding solely to use to make money on Youtube, or whether she'll scrap that channel entirely after all of this.
On the bright side, it's good for this kind of thing to happen. There's enough fake garbage out there, from "reality" TV to modern music, than for it to be bleeding over into the vlogging world too. People should learn to question things more often, and be prepared to accept that it might not be what it appeared.
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